Waking Up or Waking Down?

I was very privileged to spend an hour and a half with Saniel Bonder, founder of the Waking Down in Mutuality approach, at his home in Sonoma.
Saniel's work has sometimes been described as the 'finishing school for enlightenment', offering spiritual searchers who have been round the houses, a radical transformation or 'second birth' (nondual awakening).  Waking Down helps people integrate both being an infinite and unlimited being with the finiteness of being in human form.  He says it is both easier than harder than you think: easier in that all you need to do is put yourself in proximity with the transmission (easier now given the advent of internet video) and is a bio-spiritually natural process (including becoming friendly to your animal nature);  harder in you have to learn 'whole being integrity' which means accepting all of you including the parts you tend not to like and also because in your process you will lose higher states of consciousness that you have accessed (which typically we judge and think of as non-spiritual). The mutuality aspect talks to a non-hierarchical approach to the work fundamentally different than the approach often associated with a guru and disciple form of spiritual transmission.

Saniel is excited about the place we are in today, the numbers of people awakening, the opportunity technology is affording and that there may likely be further unfoldings beyond nondual. The first half of our interview is below.